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Between 1976 and 1983, during the dictatorship in Argentina, 30,000 people disappeared: they were mostly regime opponents who were detained tortured, and some of them killed in detention centers. It is estimated that at least 500 babies born during that brutality were retained and given to other families. The Abuelas de la Plaza de Mayo organization rose to search for these grandchildren. To collaborate with them, the publicist Santiago Barros created IAbuelas, an artistic project that uses artificial intelligence to develop possible portraits of the grandchildren whose identity was erased.<\/p>\n

By Marcela Vallejo<\/span><\/p>\n

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The Instagram gallery of the\u00a0<\/span>IAbuelas<\/span><\/a>\u00a0account is a mosaic of faces looking directly at you. They are women and men around 45 years old, mostly set against a dark background. They appear to be photos of real people, but upon closer inspection, you realize they are of a different kind.<\/span><\/p>\n

The first is a portrait of a man or a woman; the next is a person of the opposite sex. Then, two old photographs, mostly in black and white, of a man and a woman. The caption indicates that the first two images correspond to the son or daughter of the people in the last two photographs. The text also provides an estimated birth date.<\/span><\/p>\n

These are possible portraits of the children of people who disappeared during the dictatorship in Argentina, between 1976 and 1983: those whom the\u00a0<\/span>Abuelas de la Plaza de Mayo<\/span><\/a>\u00a0have been searching for for 45 years. During that dark period, detention centers functioned as clandestine maternity wards. According to the Abuelas organization, “about 500 children of the disappeared were appropriated as ‘war booty’ by the repressive forces. (…) In all cases, their identity was annulled, and they were deprived of living with their legitimate families, rights, and freedom.”<\/span><\/p>\n

Abuelas is Argentina’s most important human rights organization, and over the years, they have managed to restore 133 identities. Publicist Santiago Barros wanted to contribute to this fight with an imaginative exercise. He had been experimenting with Midjourney for a while. He reached a point where he could create a third image based on two original images while retaining certain information from the source images.<\/span><\/p>\n

When he instructs the application, he asks it to imagine a person based on the other two images. The result is these portraits that confront you with their direct gaze. When you see them, it’s impossible not to imagine who these people are, what they do, what they are involved in. But something else also happens, a poetic exercise of justice: in these posts, a family that was forcibly and violently separated is reunited.<\/span><\/p>\n

In this interview, we talk to Santiago about this work, the relationship with the Abuelas organization, the process of generating the images, and the political importance of such a speculative exercise.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Castillo Ovejero Case<\/p>\n

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Where did the idea for IAbuelas come from?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

On the one hand, I had been conducting some tests with artificial intelligence for my work, trying to understand the capabilities of various graphic tools, especially in image generation. I spent about six months testing, experimenting, and a bit of “evangelizing” because I told those around me, “Hey, look, this is amazing.” Another third has to do with my political activism. For me, what relates to human rights and, specifically, in this case, the disappeared has always been present. Part of my activism involves reclaiming those principles. The last third has to do with family history. In my family, we have a disappeared uncle. So, not so much for emotional reasons because he was a person I never got to know, but perhaps more related to the doubt and the inexplicable nature of the situation.<\/span><\/p>\n

I discovered how to generate a new image from two previous images, ensuring it retained information from both. So, I decided to see what would happen if I did it with the faces of two people to see if a third could be generated following a logic similar to nature. In other words, we somewhat resemble one or the other of our parents.<\/span><\/p>\n

With that premise, I searched for photos on the Abuelas website, where all the cases are uploaded, and started doing the exercises. I was quite amazed by the first result because it was the image of a very realistic person, someone who could exist, and one of the options was someone looking directly into the camera. I thought it had a significant impact because the fact that the person is looking at the camera makes you feel addressed.<\/span><\/p>\n

So, behind the proposal, there is a political intention. What has been your process of political activism like?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

I have been involved in a political group for almost ten years. It was a process that I found challenging to accept because precisely what having a disappeared person in the family implies is a message to the following generations not to get involved in politics because they will disappear. Understanding my place in the social classes also took me some time. I grew up in an environment that was not politicized. It’s not coincidental that 30,000 disappeared people caused at least two generations to become depoliticized. The message was very clear: if you get involved in politics, you will disappear.<\/span><\/p>\n

Understanding my place in the social classes also took me some time. I was raised almost like an aspirational middle-class person, and it took me a while to realize that I didn’t belong to that class but rather to a lower class. All this confusion made me not really understand what rights I should fight for. 2015, I started actively participating in political activities, especially during Macri’s government. I thought everything that would happen would be much worse for society.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Jeger-Gonz\u00e1lez Case<\/span><\/p>\n

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<\/b>“The grandmothers have a very effective scientific method for detecting identities, so this was not meant to compete with or replace that. It’s an artistic exercise related to spreading the work of the Abuelas, the memory of the events that happened in Argentina, a call for justice, and a request to restore those identities.”<\/strong><\/p>\n

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This project is not part of the Abuelas de la Plaza de Mayo initiative. I read that you met with representatives of the organization. What was the Abuelas’ reaction?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

On one hand, my connection with the organization is through my cousin, the daughter of this disappeared relative. The first thing I did when I had the idea was to check it with her. When she saw it, she found it very powerful but also functional. So, I moved forward, and meanwhile, we discussed presenting the project to Abuelas. But I started sharing it to protect the idea, not so much for dissemination but to reserve the Instagram account and upload some material so that it could be understood.<\/span><\/p>\n

The account exploded much faster than I thought and reached Abuelas before I could present the idea. Initially, it generated some discomfort because they didn’t know who was behind the idea, what intentions were involved, or the level of certainty of the tool I was using. That’s when they called me for a meeting.<\/span><\/p>\n

I didn’t meet with the grandmothers but with restored grandchildren in charge of the press area. The reception was very affectionate, and they were mostly interested in knowing who I was and what interests were behind this. We agreed that this should be considered an artistic project. Framing it within this format helps eliminate any doubts regarding its scientific nature. The grandmothers have a very effective scientific method for detecting identities, so this was not meant to compete with or replace that.<\/span><\/p>\n

It’s an artistic exercise related to spreading the work of the Abuelas, the memory of the events that happened in Argentina, a call for justice, and a request for the restoration of those identities.<\/span><\/p>\n

What were the organization’s concerns?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

One of the things they told me at Abuelas, which was crucial for me, is that the reputation of Abuelas was built on certainties. Therefore, any tool that could be attacked due to the lack of certainties could harm their reputation. In response, my initial reaction was, “Well, if this can harm them, I will deactivate the account because my idea is to collaborate in disseminating their work, not to harm it.” Finally, they told me that framing it as an artistic project would contribute to spreading their work.<\/span><\/p>\n

No, I haven’t had any further contact with the organization, but everything is fine. I communicate with some family members who write to me directly. So far, all the reactions have been positive, there hasn’t been any negative feedback, and no family member has told me, “Hey, this is morbid” or “Take down my case because I’m not interested in participating in the account.”<\/span><\/p>\n

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Perez Astorga Case<\/span><\/p>\n

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I hadn’t thought about the idea of certainty. The truth is that your work has a speculative touch. I thought that perhaps the organization’s doubt could be related to protecting identities, but this is indeed a different exercise.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

It has connections with what you mentioned, with the act of imagining. I mean, if instead of using artificial intelligence, I were an illustrator or, for example, I could have done it with Photoshop, I could have generated different images. In fact, when I was in the meeting with Abuelas, they told me about an action they had taken, which I didn’t recall.<\/span><\/p>\n

It was a public action where they placed photos of the disappeared parents, and in the middle, there was a mirror. The idea was for you to stand in front of that mirror, see your reflection, and also see those photos to see if you looked like someone. In some way, there is a connection between those ideas. I think that when they discovered that there was a link between one level and another, it stopped bothering them about not revealing their identity.<\/span><\/p>\n

But it’s still an exercise of imagination, thinking about how these people could be now. Ultimately, and very loosely because they are imagined people, if any identity were being revealed, it would be the crime of identity theft. In other words, these people have been the spoils of war from a conflict that occurred in Argentina since they were born until now. They are living every day with a crime that continues to be committed. Nevertheless, I felt that this wouldn’t change anything about the logic of Abuelas, but it could contribute to getting new people interested in the work, especially the younger generation.<\/span><\/p>\n

What is the process you follow to generate the images?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

I use Midjourney. Of the three I tried, it’s the one I liked the most regarding results because they are the most believable, the most imaginative, and have fewer errors in constructing people. Initially, when I started using it, it still had errors, generating extra fingers and teeth, but that has already been corrected in the latest version and works perfectly.<\/span><\/p>\n

The material I use is publicly available on the Abuelas website. All the cases of appropriated children are there, sorted by the year of appropriation, and in most cases, there are photos of both parents. So, as input, I use public photos of both parents and what I do is upload these two photos to Midjourney and use a simple programming trick that the program has: once you upload these photos to the application, you ask it to blend them and generate a new photo from those two. In this case, I ask it to create a 45-year-old man or woman first, and then I do the other.<\/span><\/p>\n

Something I understood is that the more information you give it, the more details you ask for, and the more chances it has to misunderstand your actions and misinterpret what you’re asking it to do. So when I managed to find a combination of words for the prompt that gave me a result I liked, and that seemed accurate because it maintained the features of both people while generating the portrait of a current person, I used the same text every time. The only thing I do is intervene when I see that it doesn’t replicate a specific feature.<\/span><\/p>\n

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The result is powerful; seeing the faces of these people on the Instagram feed manages to engage. And it also raises other questions for me. When I see the portraits, I start thinking about who these people are, what they do, where they live, and what they work on. In that sense, it’s a very powerful exercise of imagination.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

Any artistic expression related to denunciation walks a very fine line. That’s why I wanted to be so careful. That is a susceptible issue in Argentina; many relatives of disappeared individuals and many family members search for appropriate grandchildren. I was concerned that it might have a negative effect or be seen as morbid because, ultimately, what ends up happening is that it also materializes something that you have in your head because you constantly imagine what that person might look like.<\/span><\/p>\n

That’s an exercise that accompanies you every day: you wake up every day having a family member, a brother, a cousin, a child who is appropriated, so you constantly imagine how they might look at five, at eight, at fifteen. How might they look now? So, it’s an exercise that captures the image many of us have in our heads. That also made it not something morbid because it is a graphic representation of what any relative of a disappeared person can fantasize about. The word you use in the application to ask it to generate an image is “imagine,” and from that, you write everything you want it to imagine.<\/span><\/p>\n

In particular, I needed to stop thinking of the grandchildren as children. When we talk about grandchildren, it makes us think of younger boys and girls, but these people are around 50 years old. And it has to do with putting an image to a collective doubt, and I think that’s where the strength of the idea lies. To illustrate that doubt is even part of the denunciation, it has to do with that: we had to give these people a face because they were taken from us, and we had to imagine an identity for them because it was stolen.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Se calcula, adem\u00e1s, que al menos 500 beb\u00e9s nacidos en medio de esa barbarie fueron retenidos y entregados a otras familias. La organizaci\u00f3n de Abuelas de la Plaza de Mayo se levantaron para buscar a esos nietos. Para colaborar con ellas, el publicista Santiago Barros cre\u00f3 IAbuelas, proyecto art\u00edstico que usa inteligencia artificial para crear retratos posibles de los nietos cuya identidad fue borrada.<\/span>\n\nPor Marcela Vallejo<\/span>\n\n[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_padding=\"50px||50px||false|false\" locked=\"off\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"]\n\nLa galer\u00eda de instagram de la cuenta de <\/span>IAbuelas<\/span><\/a> es un mosaico de rostros que miran de frente. Son mujeres y hombres que rondan los 45 a\u00f1os, la mayor\u00eda est\u00e1n sobre un fondo oscuro. Parecen fotos de gente real, pero al detenernos en sus detalles, nos damos cuenta que se trata de otro tipo de im\u00e1genes. <\/span>\n\nLa primera es el retrato de un hombre o una mujer; la siguiente es una persona de sexo opuesto. Luego, vienen dos fotograf\u00edas antiguas, en la mayor\u00eda de los casos en blanco y negro de un hombre y una mujer. El copy indica que las primeras dos im\u00e1genes corresponden al hijo o hija de las personas que aparecen en las dos \u00faltimas fotograf\u00edas. El texto dice tambi\u00e9n la fecha estimada de nacimiento. <\/span>\n\nSe trata de retratos posibles de lxs hijxs de personas que fueron desaparecidas durante la dictadura en Argentina, entre 1976 y 1983: aquellas a quienes las <\/span>Abuelas de la Plaza de Mayo<\/span><\/a> buscan desde hace 45 a\u00f1os. En ese periodo tenebroso hubo centros de detenciones que funcionaron como maternidades clandestinas. Seg\u00fan la organizaci\u00f3n de las Abuelas, \u201cunos 500 hijos de desaparecidos fueron apropiados como \u201cbot\u00edn de guerra\u201d por las fuerzas de represi\u00f3n. (...) En todos los casos les anularon su identidad y los privaron de vivir con sus leg\u00edtimas familias, de sus derechos y de su libertad\u201d.<\/span>\n\nAbuelas es la organizaci\u00f3n de derechos humanos m\u00e1s importante de Argentina y en todos estos a\u00f1os de b\u00fasqueda han logrado restituir 133 identidades. El publicista Santiago Barros quiso aportar a esa lucha con un ejercicio imaginativo. Llevaba un tiempo experimentando con Midjourney y lleg\u00f3 a un punto en el que lograba, a partir de dos im\u00e1genes, crear una tercera en la que se conservaba cierta informaci\u00f3n de las im\u00e1genes de origen. <\/span>\n\nCuando le da la orden a la aplicaci\u00f3n le pide imaginar a una persona a partir de las otras dos im\u00e1genes. El resultado son estos retratos que interpelan con su mirada de frente. Al verlas, es inevitable imaginar qui\u00e9nes son estas personas, qu\u00e9 hacen, a qu\u00e9 se dedican. Pero tambi\u00e9n sucede algo, un ejercicio po\u00e9tico de justicia: en estos posts se re\u00fane una familia que fue separada de manera forzada y violenta. <\/span>\n\nEn esta entrevista, hablamos con Santiago sobre este trabajo, la relaci\u00f3n con la organizaci\u00f3n de las Abuelas, el procedimiento para generar las im\u00e1genes y, sobre todo, la importancia pol\u00edtica de un ejercicio especulativo como este.<\/span>\n\n[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][et_pb_row custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|phone\" admin_label=\"Img full\" module_class=\"vst-cnt-img-x1\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" width=\"100%\" max_width=\"1920px\" custom_margin=\"0px|0px|0px|0px|false|false\" custom_padding=\"0px|0px|0px|0px|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"\" custom_padding_phone=\"\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_column type=\"4_4\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_padding=\"0px|0px|0px|0px|false|false\" pac_dcm_carousel_specific_module_num=\"0\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_code admin_label=\"Imagen Esp\" module_class=\"vst-cnt-img\" _builder_version=\"4.9.4\" _module_preset=\"default\"][imagen_nota id=\"20706\"][\/et_pb_code][et_pb_text admin_label=\"Pie de foto\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" text_text_color=\"#6e6e6e\" text_font_size=\"13px\" text_letter_spacing=\"0.16px\" text_orientation=\"right\" custom_margin=\"0px|0px|0px|0px|false|false\" custom_padding=\"10px|0px|15px|0px|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"||10px||false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"|20px|5px||false|false\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" custom_css_main_element=\"font-weight:400;\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"]\n\nCaso Castillo Ovejero\n\n[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][et_pb_row column_structure=\"1_4,3_4\" use_custom_gutter=\"on\" gutter_width=\"1\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|phone\" admin_label=\"Fila-regular\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" background_color=\"RGBA(0,0,0,0)\" width=\"100%\" max_width=\"1920px\" custom_margin=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_margin_tablet=\"\" custom_margin_phone=\"\" custom_margin_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" custom_padding=\"0px|50px|60px|50px|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"0px|25px|0px|25px|false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"0px|20px|0px|20px|false|false\" border_radii=\"off||||\" collapsed=\"off\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_column type=\"1_4\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" background_enable_color=\"off\" custom_padding=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"\" custom_padding_phone=\"\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" pac_dcm_carousel_specific_module_num=\"0\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][\/et_pb_column][et_pb_column type=\"3_4\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_padding=\"0px|11.5vw|0px|10%|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"|0px||0px|false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" pac_dcm_carousel_specific_module_num=\"0\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_text module_class=\"vst-p\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_padding=\"50px||||false|false\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"]\n\n\u00bfDe d\u00f3nde surge la idea de IAbuelas?<\/b>\n\nPor una parte yo ven\u00eda haciendo algunas pruebas con la inteligencia artificial para mi trabajo, trataba entender los alcances de cada una de las herramientas gr\u00e1ficas, sobre todo, en la generaci\u00f3n de im\u00e1genes. Estuve unos seis meses probando, experimentando y un poco tambi\u00e9n \u201cevangelizando\u201d, porque a los que ten\u00eda cerca les dec\u00eda \u201cche, mir\u00e1, esto est\u00e1 buen\u00edsimo\u201d. Otro tercio tiene que ver con mi militancia pol\u00edtica. Para m\u00ed lo que tiene que ver con los derechos humanos y, puntualmente en este caso, con los desaparecidos es algo que siempre estuvo presente. Parte de mi militancia tiene que ver con recuperar esas banderas. El \u00faltimo tercio tiene que ver con la historia familiar. En mi familia tenemos un t\u00edo desaparecido. As\u00ed que no tanto por una cuesti\u00f3n afectiva, porque es una persona que yo no llegu\u00e9 a conocer, pero s\u00ed quiz\u00e1 lo que tiene que ver con la duda y lo inexplicable de la situaci\u00f3n.<\/span>\n\nHab\u00eda descubierto c\u00f3mo generar una nueva imagen a partir de dos im\u00e1genes previas, logrando que conservara informaci\u00f3n de las dos. Entonces, decid\u00ed probar a ver qu\u00e9 pasaba si lo hac\u00eda con las caras de dos personas, a ver si se generaba una tercera siguiendo una l\u00f3gica parecida a la de la naturaleza. Es decir, nosotros nos parecemos en alg\u00fan grado a nuestros padres m\u00e1s o menos a uno o al otro. <\/span>\n\nCon esa premisa, busqu\u00e9 las fotos en la p\u00e1gina de Abuelas, donde est\u00e1n todos los casos subidos y empec\u00e9 a hacer los ejercicios. Con el primer resultado me qued\u00e9 bastante asombrado, porque el resultado era el de una persona muy realista, alguien que pod\u00eda existir y encima una de las opciones era alguien mirando a c\u00e1mara. Me pareci\u00f3 que generaba mucho impacto porque el hecho de que la persona est\u00e9 mirando a c\u00e1mara hace que te sientas interpelado.<\/span>\n\nEntonces detr\u00e1s de la propuesta hay una intenci\u00f3n pol\u00edtica. \u00bfC\u00f3mo ha sido tu proceso de militancia?<\/b>\n\nMilito en una agrupaci\u00f3n pol\u00edtica hace casi 10 a\u00f1os. Es un proceso que me cost\u00f3 mucho aceptar porque justamente lo que implica que haya un desaparecido en la familia es un mensaje a las siguientes generaciones de que no se involucren en pol\u00edtica porque van a desaparecer. Me cost\u00f3 tambi\u00e9n porque crec\u00ed en un ambiente no politizado. No es casual, el hecho de que hayan habido 30.000 desaparecidos hizo que por lo menos dos generaciones se despoliticen. El mensaje era muy claro, si vos te politiz\u00e1s, desaparec\u00e9s.<\/span>\n\nTambi\u00e9n me llev\u00f3 un tiempo entender mi lugar en las clases sociales. Me hab\u00eda criado casi como una persona de clase media aspiracional y demor\u00e9 en entender que no pertenec\u00eda a esa clase, sino que pertenec\u00eda a una clase m\u00e1s baja. Toda esa confusi\u00f3n hizo que no entendiera muy bien cu\u00e1les eran tampoco los derechos por los que ten\u00eda que luchar. En 2015 empec\u00e9 a militar activamente a partir del gobierno de Macri, me parec\u00eda que todo lo que iba a venir iba a ser mucho peor para la sociedad. <\/span>\n\n[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][et_pb_row column_structure=\"1_4,3_4\" use_custom_gutter=\"on\" gutter_width=\"1\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|phone\" admin_label=\"Fila-regular 10-90\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" background_color=\"RGBA(0,0,0,0)\" width=\"100%\" max_width=\"1920px\" custom_margin=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_margin_tablet=\"\" custom_margin_phone=\"\" custom_margin_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" custom_padding=\"0px|50px|0px|50px|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"0px|25px|0px|25px|false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"0px|20px|0px|20px|false|false\" border_radii=\"off||||\" collapsed=\"off\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_column type=\"1_4\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" background_enable_color=\"off\" custom_padding=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"\" custom_padding_phone=\"\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" custom_css_main_element=\"width:10%!important;\" pac_dcm_carousel_specific_module_num=\"0\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][\/et_pb_column][et_pb_column type=\"3_4\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_padding=\"0px|11.5vw|0px|10%|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"|0px||0px|false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" custom_css_main_element=\"width:90%!important;\" pac_dcm_carousel_specific_module_num=\"0\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" custom_css_main_element_last_edited=\"on|tablet\" custom_css_main_element_tablet=\"width:100%!important;\" custom_css_main_element_phone=\"width:100%!important;\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_code admin_label=\"Imagen Esp\" module_class=\"vst-cnt-img\" _builder_version=\"4.9.4\" _module_preset=\"default\"][imagen_nota id=\"20712\"][\/et_pb_code][et_pb_text admin_label=\"Pie de foto\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" text_text_color=\"#6e6e6e\" text_font_size=\"13px\" text_letter_spacing=\"0.16px\" text_orientation=\"right\" custom_margin=\"0px|0px|0px|0px|false|false\" custom_padding=\"10px|0px|15px|0px|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"||10px||false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"|20px|5px||false|false\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" custom_css_main_element=\"font-weight:400;\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"]\n\nCaso Jeger-Gonz\u00e1lez<\/span>\n\n[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][et_pb_row column_structure=\"1_2,1_2\" use_custom_gutter=\"on\" gutter_width=\"1\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" admin_label=\"Fila quote\" module_class=\"vst-cnt-img-x2\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" width=\"100%\" max_width=\"1920px\" custom_margin=\"0px|0px|0px|0px|false|false\" custom_padding=\"0px|50px|0px|50px|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"|25px||25px|false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"|20px||20px|false|false\" collapsed=\"off\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_column type=\"1_2\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_padding=\"0px|0px|0px|0px|false|false\" pac_dcm_carousel_specific_module_num=\"0\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_text module_class=\"vst-quote\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_margin_tablet=\"\" custom_margin_phone=\"\" custom_margin_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" custom_padding=\"||||false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"\" custom_padding_phone=\"\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|phone\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"]\n\n<\/b>\n\n\"Las abuelas tienen un m\u00e9todo para detectar identidades de manera cient\u00edfica muy efectivo, as\u00ed que esto no ven\u00eda ni a competir, ni a reemplazar eso. Es un ejercicio art\u00edstico relacionado con la difusi\u00f3n del trabajo de Abuelas, con la memoria de los sucesos que ocurrieron en Argentina, con un pedido de justicia y un pedido de reparaci\u00f3n de esas identidades.\"<\/b>\n\n[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][et_pb_column type=\"1_2\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_padding=\"0px|0px|0px|0px|false|false\" pac_dcm_carousel_specific_module_num=\"0\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][et_pb_row column_structure=\"1_4,3_4\" use_custom_gutter=\"on\" gutter_width=\"1\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|phone\" admin_label=\"Fila-regular\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" background_color=\"RGBA(0,0,0,0)\" width=\"100%\" max_width=\"1920px\" module_alignment=\"center\" custom_margin=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_margin_tablet=\"\" custom_margin_phone=\"\" custom_margin_last_edited=\"on|phone\" custom_padding=\"0px|50px|60px|50px|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"0px|50px|60px|25px|false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"0px|20px|60px|20px|false|false\" border_radii=\"off||||\" collapsed=\"off\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_column type=\"1_4\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" background_enable_color=\"off\" custom_padding=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"\" custom_padding_phone=\"\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" pac_dcm_carousel_specific_module_num=\"0\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][\/et_pb_column][et_pb_column type=\"3_4\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_padding=\"0px|11.5vw|0px|10%|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"|0px||0px|false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" pac_dcm_carousel_specific_module_num=\"0\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_text module_class=\"vst-p\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_padding=\"50px||||false|false\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"]\n\nEntiendo que este es un proyecto que no pertenece a la iniciativa de las Abuelas de la Plaza de Mayo. Le\u00ed que te reuniste con lxs representantes de la organizaci\u00f3n. \u00bfC\u00f3mo fue la reacci\u00f3n de Abuelas?<\/b>\n\nPor un lado, mi v\u00ednculo con el organismo es a trav\u00e9s de mi prima, la hija de este familiar desaparecido. Lo primero que hice cuando se me ocurri\u00f3 la idea fue chequearlo con ella. Cuando lo vio, le pareci\u00f3 muy fuerte, pero a la vez le pareci\u00f3 \u00fatil. As\u00ed que yo avanc\u00e9 y mientras tanto est\u00e1bamos en conversaciones para presentarle el proyecto a Abuelas. Pero <\/span>lo fui subiendo para proteger la idea, no tanto para difundir, sino para ir reservando la cuenta de Instagram, ir subiendo alg\u00fan material como para que se entendiera. <\/span>\n\nLa realidad es que la cuenta explot\u00f3 mucho m\u00e1s r\u00e1pido de lo que yo pensaba y termin\u00f3 llegando a Abuelas antes de que yo pudiera presentar la idea. As\u00ed que al principio gener\u00f3 como un poco de resquemor porque ellas no sab\u00edan qui\u00e9n estaba detr\u00e1s de la idea, ni qu\u00e9 intenciones ten\u00eda, ni tampoco qu\u00e9 grado de certeza ten\u00eda la herramienta que yo estaba usando, entonces ah\u00ed fue que me llamaron para tener una reuni\u00f3n.<\/span>\n\nNo estuve reunido en realidad con las abuelas, sino con nietos restituidos que son quienes manejan el \u00e1rea de prensa. La recepci\u00f3n fue muy amorosa y ten\u00edan m\u00e1s que nada inter\u00e9s en saber qui\u00e9n era yo y qu\u00e9 intereses hab\u00eda detr\u00e1s de esto. Acordamos que esto sea considerado un proyecto art\u00edstico. Encuadrarlo dentro de este formato ayuda para que no se genere ninguna duda respecto a lo cient\u00edfico. Las abuelas tienen un m\u00e9todo para detectar identidades de manera cient\u00edfica muy efectivo, as\u00ed que esto no ven\u00eda ni a competir, ni a reemplazar eso. <\/span>\n\nEs un ejercicio art\u00edstico relacionado con la difusi\u00f3n del trabajo de Abuelas, con la memoria de los sucesos que ocurrieron en Argentina, con un pedido de justicia y un pedido de reparaci\u00f3n de esas identidades.<\/span>\n\n\u00bfCu\u00e1l era la preocupaci\u00f3n de la organizaci\u00f3n?<\/b>\n\nUna de las cosas que me dijeron en Abuelas, que para m\u00ed fue clave, es que la reputaci\u00f3n de Abuelas fue construida con base en certezas. Entonces, cualquier herramienta que pudiera ser atacada por la falta de certezas, pod\u00eda perjudicar su reputaci\u00f3n. Ante eso, mi primera respuesta fue: \u201cbueno, si esto los puede perjudicar yo doy de baja la cuenta porque mi idea es colaborar con la difusi\u00f3n del trabajo, no perjudicarlo.\u201d  Finalmente, me dijeron que al enmarcarlo como un proyecto art\u00edstico, colaboraba con la difusi\u00f3n de su trabajo.<\/span>\n\nNo, volv\u00ed a tener v\u00ednculo con el organismo, pero est\u00e1 todo bien. Hablo por ah\u00ed con algunos familiares que me escriben de manera directa. Por ahora, todas las repercusiones fueron positivas, no hubo ninguna repercusi\u00f3n negativa, ni ning\u00fan familiar que me diga \u201cche, esto es morboso\u201d o \u201cda de baja a mi caso porque no me interesa participar de la cuenta\u201d. <\/span>\n\n[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][et_pb_row column_structure=\"1_4,3_4\" use_custom_gutter=\"on\" gutter_width=\"1\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|phone\" admin_label=\"Fila-regular 10-90\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" background_color=\"RGBA(0,0,0,0)\" width=\"100%\" max_width=\"1920px\" custom_margin=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_margin_tablet=\"\" custom_margin_phone=\"\" custom_margin_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" custom_padding=\"0px|50px|0px|50px|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"0px|25px|0px|25px|false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"0px|20px|0px|20px|false|false\" border_radii=\"off||||\" collapsed=\"off\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_column type=\"1_4\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" background_enable_color=\"off\" custom_padding=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"\" custom_padding_phone=\"\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" custom_css_main_element=\"width:10%!important;\" pac_dcm_carousel_specific_module_num=\"0\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][\/et_pb_column][et_pb_column type=\"3_4\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_padding=\"0px|11.5vw|0px|10%|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"|0px||0px|false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" custom_css_main_element=\"width:90%!important;\" pac_dcm_carousel_specific_module_num=\"0\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_code admin_label=\"Imagen Esp\" module_class=\"vst-cnt-img\" _builder_version=\"4.9.4\" _module_preset=\"default\"][imagen_nota id=\"20709\"][\/et_pb_code][et_pb_text admin_label=\"Pie de foto\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" text_text_color=\"#6e6e6e\" text_font_size=\"13px\" text_letter_spacing=\"0.16px\" text_orientation=\"right\" custom_margin=\"0px|0px|0px|0px|false|false\" custom_padding=\"10px|0px|15px|0px|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"||10px||false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"|20px|5px||false|false\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" custom_css_main_element=\"font-weight:400;\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"]\n\nCaso Perez Astorga<\/span>\n\n[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][et_pb_row column_structure=\"1_4,3_4\" use_custom_gutter=\"on\" gutter_width=\"1\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|phone\" admin_label=\"Fila-regular\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" background_color=\"RGBA(0,0,0,0)\" width=\"100%\" max_width=\"1920px\" custom_margin=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_margin_tablet=\"\" custom_margin_phone=\"\" custom_margin_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" custom_padding=\"0px|50px|60px|50px|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"0px|25px|0px|25px|false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"0px|20px|0px|20px|false|false\" border_radii=\"off||||\" collapsed=\"off\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_column type=\"1_4\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" background_enable_color=\"off\" custom_padding=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"\" custom_padding_phone=\"\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" pac_dcm_carousel_specific_module_num=\"0\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][\/et_pb_column][et_pb_column type=\"3_4\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_padding=\"0px|11.5vw|0px|10%|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"|0px||0px|false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" pac_dcm_carousel_specific_module_num=\"0\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_text module_class=\"vst-p\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_padding=\"50px||||false|false\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"]\n\nNo hab\u00eda pensado en la idea de la certeza. Lo cierto es que tu trabajo tiene un toque especulativo. Pens\u00e9 que, quiz\u00e1, la duda de la organizaci\u00f3n podr\u00eda tener que ver con la protecci\u00f3n de las identidades, pero realmente esto es un ejercicio diferente.<\/b>\n\nTiene v\u00ednculos con eso que vos dec\u00eds, con el hecho de imaginar. Digo, si yo en lugar de hacerlo con inteligencia artificial, fuera un ilustrador o podr\u00eda haberlo hecho, por ejemplo, con Photoshop, podr\u00eda haber generado otras im\u00e1genes. De hecho, cuando estuve en la reuni\u00f3n con Abuelas, me contaban que ellas hab\u00edan hecho una acci\u00f3n que yo no recordaba. <\/span>\n\nFue una acci\u00f3n en v\u00eda p\u00fablica en la cual hab\u00edan puesto las fotos de los padres desaparecidos y en el medio un espejo, entonces la idea era que vos te pararas frente a ese espejo, vieras el reflejo y adem\u00e1s vieras esas fotos para ver si te encontrabas parecido. En alg\u00fan punto hay un v\u00ednculo entre esas ideas. Creo que cuando ellas descubrieron que estaba ese v\u00ednculo entre un nivel y el otro ya les dejo de hacer ruido esto que vos dec\u00eds de no revelar la identidad.<\/span>\n\nPero no deja de ser un ejercicio de imaginaci\u00f3n, de pensar c\u00f3mo podr\u00edan ser esas personas ahora. En definitiva, y muy entre comillas porque son personas imaginadas, si se estuviera revelando alguna identidad el delito es el de la sustracci\u00f3n de la identidad. O sea, esas personas desde que nacieron hasta ahora son el bot\u00edn de guerra de un conflicto que hubo en Argentina. Est\u00e1n viviendo todos los d\u00edas un delito que se sigue cometiendo. De todos modos no, yo sent\u00eda que esto no ven\u00eda a cambiar nada de la l\u00f3gica de Abuelas, pero s\u00ed que pod\u00eda colaborar a que nuevas personas se interesaran por el trabajo, sobre todo los m\u00e1s chicos.<\/span>\n\n\u00bfC\u00f3mo es el proceso que sigues para generar las im\u00e1genes?<\/b>\n\nUso Midjourney, de las tres que prob\u00e9 es la que m\u00e1s me gust\u00f3 en cuanto a resultados, porque son los m\u00e1s cre\u00edbles, los m\u00e1s imaginativos, los que tienen menos errores en su construcci\u00f3n de personas. Al principio cuando lo empec\u00e9 a usar, todav\u00eda ten\u00eda errores, generaba m\u00e1s dedos, m\u00e1s dientes, eso es algo que en la \u00faltima versi\u00f3n ya se corrigi\u00f3 y funciona perfecto.<\/span>\n\nEl material que uso est\u00e1 p\u00fablico en la web de Abuelas. Ah\u00ed est\u00e1n todos los casos de ni\u00f1xs apropiadxs, separadxs por a\u00f1o de apropiaci\u00f3n, en la mayor\u00eda de los casos est\u00e1n las fotos de ambos padres. As\u00ed que como insumo yo uso fotos p\u00fablicas de ambos padres y lo que hago es subir esas dos fotos a Midjourney y usar como un truco de programaci\u00f3n que tiene el programa que es muy sencillo: una vez que sub\u00eds esas fotos a la aplicaci\u00f3n, le ten\u00e9s que pedir que las mezcle y que a partir de esas fotos te genere una foto nueva. En este caso, le pido que haga primero un var\u00f3n de 45 a\u00f1os o una mujer y despu\u00e9s hago el otro.<\/span>\n\nAlgo que fui entendiendo, es que cuanta m\u00e1s informaci\u00f3n vos le dabas, cuanto m\u00e1s detalle le ped\u00edas, m\u00e1s chances ten\u00eda de entender mal tus acciones, de malinterpretar, lo que vos le estabas pidiendo. Entonces cuando logr\u00e9 dar con una combinaci\u00f3n de palabras para la orden (prompt) que me daba un resultado que me gustaba y que me parec\u00eda acertado porque manten\u00eda los rasgos de ambas personas y a la vez generaba el retrato de una persona actual, lo que hice fue usar siempre el mismo texto. Lo \u00fanico que hago es intervenir cuando veo que no replica alg\u00fan rasgo puntual. <\/span>\n\n<\/span>\n\n[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][et_pb_row column_structure=\"1_4,3_4\" use_custom_gutter=\"on\" gutter_width=\"1\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|phone\" admin_label=\"Fila-regular 10-90\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" background_color=\"RGBA(0,0,0,0)\" width=\"100%\" max_width=\"1920px\" custom_margin=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_margin_tablet=\"\" custom_margin_phone=\"\" custom_margin_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" custom_padding=\"0px|50px|0px|50px|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"0px|25px|0px|25px|false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"0px|20px|0px|20px|false|false\" border_radii=\"off||||\" collapsed=\"off\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_column type=\"1_4\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" background_enable_color=\"off\" custom_padding=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"\" custom_padding_phone=\"\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" custom_css_main_element=\"width:10%!important;\" pac_dcm_carousel_specific_module_num=\"0\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][\/et_pb_column][et_pb_column type=\"3_4\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_padding=\"0px|11.5vw|0px|10%|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"|0px||0px|false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" custom_css_main_element=\"width:90%!important;\" pac_dcm_carousel_specific_module_num=\"0\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_code admin_label=\"Imagen Esp\" module_class=\"vst-cnt-img\" _builder_version=\"4.9.4\" _module_preset=\"default\"][imagen_nota id=\"20705\"][\/et_pb_code][et_pb_text admin_label=\"Pie de foto\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" text_text_color=\"#6e6e6e\" text_font_size=\"13px\" text_letter_spacing=\"0.16px\" text_orientation=\"right\" custom_margin=\"0px|0px|0px|0px|false|false\" custom_padding=\"10px|0px|15px|0px|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"||10px||false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"|20px|5px||false|false\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" custom_css_main_element=\"font-weight:400;\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"]\n\nCaso Martinis-Neuhaus<\/span>\n\n[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text admin_label=\"Pie de foto\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" text_text_color=\"#6e6e6e\" text_font_size=\"13px\" text_letter_spacing=\"0.16px\" text_orientation=\"right\" custom_margin=\"0px|0px|0px|0px|false|false\" custom_padding=\"10px|0px|15px|0px|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"||10px||false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"|20px|5px||false|false\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" custom_css_main_element=\"font-weight:400;\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][et_pb_row column_structure=\"1_4,3_4\" use_custom_gutter=\"on\" gutter_width=\"1\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|phone\" admin_label=\"Fila-regular\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" background_color=\"RGBA(0,0,0,0)\" width=\"100%\" max_width=\"1920px\" module_alignment=\"center\" custom_margin=\"0px|auto|2px|auto|false|false\" custom_margin_tablet=\"\" custom_margin_phone=\"\" custom_margin_last_edited=\"on|phone\" custom_padding=\"0px|50px|60px|50px|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"0px|50px|60px|25px|false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"0px|20px|60px|20px|false|false\" border_radii=\"off||||\" collapsed=\"off\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_column type=\"1_4\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" background_enable_color=\"off\" custom_padding=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"\" custom_padding_phone=\"\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" pac_dcm_carousel_specific_module_num=\"0\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][\/et_pb_column][et_pb_column type=\"3_4\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_padding=\"0px|11.5vw|0px|10%|false|false\" custom_padding_tablet=\"|0px||0px|false|false\" custom_padding_phone=\"0px||0px||false|false\" custom_padding_last_edited=\"on|desktop\" pac_dcm_carousel_specific_module_num=\"0\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"][et_pb_text module_class=\"vst-p\" _builder_version=\"4.15\" _module_preset=\"default\" custom_padding=\"50px||||false|false\" global_colors_info=\"{}\" theme_builder_area=\"post_content\"]\n\nEl resultado es poderoso, ver los rostros de estas personas en el feed de la cuenta de instagram realmente logra interpelar. Y a m\u00ed tambi\u00e9n me genera otras preguntas, cuando veo los retratos empiezo a pensar en qui\u00e9nes son esas personas, qu\u00e9 hacen, d\u00f3nde viven, en qu\u00e9 trabajan. Creo que en ese sentido es un ejercicio de imaginaci\u00f3n muy potente.<\/b>\n\nCualquier expresi\u00f3n art\u00edstica que est\u00e9 relacionada con la denuncia camina por un  l\u00edmite muy fino. Por eso tambi\u00e9n quer\u00eda ser tan cuidadoso, Argentina este es un tema recontra sensible, hay much\u00edsimos familiares de desaparecidos, hay much\u00edsimos familiares que est\u00e1n buscando a nietos apropiados. Me preocupaba que pudiera tener un efecto negativo o que se pudiera leer como algo morboso, porque en definitiva lo que termina sucediendo es que tambi\u00e9n esto viene a materializar algo que vos ten\u00e9s en tu cabeza porque vos en tu cabeza imagin\u00e1s todo el tiempo c\u00f3mo podr\u00eda verse esa persona.<\/span>\n\nEse es un ejercicio que te acompa\u00f1a todos los d\u00edas: vos te levantas todos los d\u00edas teniendo un familiar, un hermano, un primo, un hijo, que est\u00e1 apropiado, entonces todo el tiempo te imagin\u00e1s c\u00f3mo se ver\u00e1 a sus cinco a\u00f1os, a sus ocho, a sus 15. \u00bfC\u00f3mo se ver\u00e1 ahora? Entonces, es un ejercicio que plasma esta imagen que muchos tenemos en nuestra cabeza. Eso tambi\u00e9n hizo que no fuera algo morboso, porque en definitiva es una representaci\u00f3n gr\u00e1fica de lo que cualquier familiar de un desaparecido puede fantasear. De hecho en la herramienta la palabra que vos us\u00e1s en la aplicaci\u00f3n para pedirle que genere una imagen es imaginar y a partir de eso vos le escrib\u00eds todo lo que quer\u00e9s que imagine.<\/span>\n\nEn particular, para m\u00ed era importante el hecho de dejar de pensar en los nietos como ni\u00f1os y ni\u00f1as. Cuando hablamos de nietos hace que nosotros pensemos en chicos y en chicas menores, pero estas son personas que est\u00e1n rondando los 50 a\u00f1os. Y tiene que ver con plasmar una imagen sobre una duda colectiva y creo que ah\u00ed est\u00e1 la fortaleza de la idea. Graficar esa duda es incluso parte de la denuncia, tiene que ver con eso: a estas personas les tuvimos que poner una cara porque se las robaron, les tuvimos que imaginar una identidad porque se la apropiaron. <\/span>\n\n[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][\/et_pb_section]","_et_gb_content_width":""},"categories":[3,272,280,279,285,278],"tags":[46,610,606,354],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"\nIAbuelas: How to imagine the face of a disappeared person - Vist Projects<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/vistprojects.com\/en\/iabuelas-how-to-imagine-the-face-of-a-disappeared-person\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"IAbuelas: How to imagine the face of a disappeared person - Vist Projects\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/vistprojects.com\/en\/iabuelas-how-to-imagine-the-face-of-a-disappeared-person\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Vist Projects\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2023-09-15T23:11:39+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:modified_time\" content=\"2023-09-15T23:13:22+00:00\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"mvallejoq\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:description\" content=\"[vist_img_post_intro]\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:label1\" content=\"Written by\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data1\" content=\"mvallejoq\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:label2\" content=\"Est. reading time\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data2\" content=\"27 minutes\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\/\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"WebPage\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/vistprojects.com\/en\/iabuelas-how-to-imagine-the-face-of-a-disappeared-person\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/vistprojects.com\/en\/iabuelas-how-to-imagine-the-face-of-a-disappeared-person\/\",\"name\":\"IAbuelas: How to imagine the face of a disappeared person - 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